In today’s VLOG, we discuss the up and coming Sony a5 full-frame sub $1000 bridge camera.
This camera will directly compete with the Canon EOS RP as a sub $1000 full-frame mirrorless camera and should act as a bridge from the Sony a6100, a6400, and a6600 APS-C series into a full-frame alternative.
Obviously, this is speculation but I will venture to say, I’m not too far off the market. What are your thoughts?
Do you think the Sony a5 is a camera that you would like to own?
Do you believe the Sony a5, like the Sony a7III, will bring new blood into the Sony’s ecosphere taking photographers away from Nikon and Canon?
Will the Sony a5 be able to compete with the Canon RP or excesses it’s specs and overall dollar for dollar value?
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The camera market is getting close to where the mobile phone market has got to, whereby every camera is very very good and there are only very small incremental differences between them. Most people then ask themselves why should I update/upgrade or swap manufacturers.
I'll be honest, I haven't bought a new camera in years. Why should I? I just need to wait 12-24 months and pick one up on eBay for a fraction of the price because its 'old', and the majority of them are barely used because the person who bought it decided there phone was good enough.
i'll buy if there is no record time limit. Maybe I can my atomos ninja v then.
APS is going the way of the dodo, extinct. Compare FF Sony FE 24-105mm F4 G vs APS 16-55mm F2.8 G. The FF lens is the same price, 1cm longer and 1cm wider for that you're getting 18mm at the telephoto end and because of the larger sensor shallower DOF, better low-light performance all for just 1cm. You have to admit, It's a no-brainer. Full frame milc bodies are falling in price vis-a-vis EOS RP is cheaper than an A6600??? To many sharks in the full-frame milc sea – Sony, Canon, Nikon & Panasonic chasing to few customers. Not long till we hit a £1000 for a enthusiast body and then it'll be £700 EOS R Digital Rebel…In terms systems size APS is too close to FF, micro four-thirds is much smaller Oly 12-100mm F4 (24-200mm equiv) vs Sony 24-100mm F4 G. They are roughly same price and size but the Oly gives you an extra 100mm at the telephoto end. It's the equivalent of carrying the 24-70mm & 70-200mm. With the Sony FF you're still missing the telephoto end.
To survive camera manufacturers need to start producing software like Luminar, automated sky replacement, background replacement, portrait touch-up, shallow dof/bokeh, compositing. Charge a subscription like Adobe. Use a cloud computing platform so users don't need a high-end professional GPU on a customers PC to do AI inference operations. It would be great if I take a set of photos and one of my mates has their eyes closed, the software uses facial recognition and replaces his eyes from a photo where they were open. For Pros do green screen stuff. You can show a client a set of photo on an iPad. They pick a few they like, stand them up in-front of green screen take the photo and it get transferred to the cloud the necessary changes are made and it's ready for you to view within a couple minutes with all the presets applied. You make adjustments to that photo, the AI learns what you changed and it can re-apply that next time either for just that client or all your clients. If they don't do this Apple or Google will and the traditional camera manufacturers will go the way of the Dodo. The Jap camera manufacturers have had a good run. I just can't see them equiping themselves with the skills required by this Brave New World of software/AI photography. They need to offer an end-to-end integrated solution, not just a camera, lens or speedlite; that's not enough anymore, game has moved on. To me it feels like they are doing a 1st World War horse cavalry charge whilst the enemy is sending over drones and blowing them to bits, it's sad man, it's sad…
I currently have a Sony a7Riii and a Sony a7. I would be very interested in a a5 to replace my current a7. What I would lose in size, I would make up for in tech internally. This would ideally be my travel camera and use all my full frame lenses. It’s still a wait and see but the possibility is exciting.
You re just a chatterbox.
I am exactly the target for this, have the a6500 want to upgrade to either the r6 or this a5 camera
think about if a7iii had a side / flip screen 🙂 total annihilation
If you look at the RF lenses that Canon is releasing, they are gunning for Sony to keep their professional photographers from jumping ship. I don't myself interested in the Sony new FF. I am very close to possibly buying the Canon RP. All the camera equipment is pretty expensive hence the need to lower-priced FF cameras.
Thanks for uploading this video! It’s on the route of purchasing the Canon EOS RP, after being a huge Sony fan, because I couldn’t justify a $2,000+ set up for a hobby. That said, if the A5 doesn’t offer the same mount as the other cameras (I have zero reason to believe it would) or if the specs are not as good, I would go purchase the Canon without a second thought. Thanks again!
Tiny full frame body without EVF? I think it's hard to use it with the heavy full frame lenses like 70-200 f2.8.
Probably Sony has to start a new lense lineup with cheaper and lighter lenses especially for A5.
Tiny camera with big FF lenses or big camera with small lenses…..give me the second combo.
Will this camera make die hard dslr users switch to mirrorless
Have you tried doing a 10mile walk with pull frame cameras with a 500 f4 lens? No – them w
you should and you will understand why older people/small ladies go for the micro 4/3
If for about the same cost as the A6600 you can get this A5, and for around the same cost of the 18-135 you can get a sigma or Tamron 24-70 ish f2.8… this would be a great consideration for me I know. With all the 3rd party lenses for FF it's very tempting
Ok,so let's make some stuff clear,because there is a LOT of misinformation going on.First thing is,Sony is following NO ONE,period.Sony bought Minolta,and was not even a camera company,until a few years ago,yet SONY ALONE innovated mirrorless cameras.I shot with one,the Sony A580,and it was $700,with IBIS,good FPS rate,decent battery life,and even had two card slots.It sucked one of the slots was for that weird Sony card,but I worked around it.That whole series of cameras,like the A77,A99 cameras are STILL amazing.Even back then,people were hating Sony because Sony was trampling on everyone else except Canon,who has shared the number ONE and TWO spots for years.We have already spoken about cameras in here,and in the first live,so it's redundant to talk about overall sales of all cameras.It's also a bad bet to think a Sony camera will not sell out or close to it.People are still buying A5000/6000/6300/6400/6600/A7/A7ii/A7iii,because Sony makes great products for a fair price.
Yes,many of them have quirks and they have 598888888 models to sift through,but they somehow leave the shelves,which is way more than I can say for Canon/Nikon mirrorless,sans the Canon M50.So the FACT is,Sony is not worried,they are not the followers,they are the leaders.Fuji has it's niche and they SELL a LOT,because they do not make overpriced nonsense.For example,for the money you might spend on a Olympus EM1X,you can buy a Sony A7iii and a Sony A6600,by the time you add on the Olympus glass.I used to run track competitively,and Sony is like that runner who doesnt look like much,doesnt say much,but will smoke your ass when the gun goes off.Some people hate on,despise,and fear innovation,change,and anything that goes against their 'purist' ideals.I am in the market for something like this camera,and I was just asking my son,if he still wants a nice camera for his intended craft,the food world.
While ff might becoming cheaper, but if you have a functional APSC or M43 camera, it means changing systems which means lenses too. So is the perceived improvements worth the cost, in especially today's economy? If you are happy with the APSC or M43 (which I do own and have invested in the system), I see for me, no reason to "move". Yes, there are limitations to M43, but there are limitations to just about every system. Choose your "poison", so to speak, and work within it's capabilities.
Cant wait for the new sony's!!!! I dont care how much they cost. I just dont wanna buy canon or lumix.
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For me a camera without EVF is stupid. I also own a bunch of APS-C lenses some of them expensiv. So switching to Sony full frame will cost a lot. The advantage with Sony full frame is all the Tamron 2.8 zooms. Canon have some very good and very expensiv RF lenses but allmost none good reasonably priced.
As Sony aren't doing an exciting APS-C camera (the A6600 is disappointing- especially at it's price), so this could be a go for me! If this A5 does come out, then that would explain why Sony didn't put out a high-end APS-C…
As I shoot amateur theatre, I really would like an electronic shutter with faster readout that works better under LED lighting- it probably will have A7 III rather than A9 performance- but that's still a lot better than A6600! Another benefit people are forgetting a bit, is the (hopefully), no recording limit in HD- this again is something really useful for me in theatre, and something the A7 III doesn't have!
I currently use an A5100, so can live without EVF (and yes, before you ask, have had many years experience with film SLRs… 🙂 )- but if it has A7 III sensor/performance, no EVF or IBIS, 1 card slot, and around $1,000- cool by me!!
And as you say JC- I can then easily upgrade later to better FFs, if I need a more professional camera in future. As yeah, as mentioned, I did my research, there are plenty of 3-rd party lenses for FF- yes they are more expensive than APS-C, but only $100-$200 more, so doable. I've refused to buy FF lenses (especially fast ones) for APS-C (in case I upgraded in future) as you pay a lot extra for them, and carry all this extra weight which you don't use!
Ive been told I have big hands as well but since I first started on a Nikon Coolpix P610 then upgraded to ultra big and heavy Nikon Coolpix P1000 a year later that 9 months later I was more than happy to not only upgrade but to also switch to my first Sony with the A7R III w/70-300mm G OSS lens. Love that the Sony is loads lightr than my P1000
Sony A5 seem like a Canon RP. It would be wise for Sony to reduce their A7III to the $1495 price range. This camera with the Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 (still around the same price as the R6 alone) would be of interest to an event photographer like me, with an aging, very big and heavy Canon L series lenses (acquired them during the Canon 30D! era). I have never truly committed to the Canon FF yet. This would be of little risk to Sony, buys them time, and allow the Sony users to invest deeper into the Sony ecosystem. I don't think the new Canons R5 & R6, while good, is enough to get Sony users to jump ship. Remember, the Canon RF lenses are very expensive, and you can't use Sony lenses on Canon R's.
Would love to see an A6600 size and feature set body, but with a 24ish MP full frame sensor. As long as they don't drop the Canon cripple hammer on it, should be a nice entry into full frame.
The cell phone generation wants small, and is used to non-viewfinder cameras (aka cell phones). The a5 is a brilliant move, not “saddled” with that new MASSIVE Canon or Nikon mounts. Like an a5 or RP user will want a $4,000 superfast lens? Sony is adding a good segment.
I’m waiting for more cameras like Samsung’s NX and Zeiss ZX1. Having a robust photo editor built in camera and ability to easily upload final edits from camera directly to web is a feature I want. Like any other camera nerd, I would like to see global and curved sensors hit the market.
Just bought a backup crop sensor camera to do practice product photography. May consider full frame next year. Depending on sub $1000,00 body and kit lens (24 to 70 or 105). I am looking at Sony since it has a lot of support from third parties and price is good.
I'm wondering if Sony can pull off this marketing move in the consumer world because of their strength in producing industrial imaging sensors. I work for a machine vision company and many of our products use Sony sensors. So I see how Sony is always regularly releasing new sensors and it's easy to imagine their design team gets tasked to get a new consumer product out the door. Just wondering ….
Lenses, lenses, lenses … hard to duplicate the look and reach of quality glass on a smartphone – once you realize how far the right lens can take you for a given photography “moment” you will always want more than just a smartphone in your pocket. IMHO … but, you still will want your smartphone because as you said, it’s the camera in your pocket which is with you all of the time.
I feel that camera companies are blind to a feature that is needed to compete with phones. Add an intuitive and seamless way to send a file from your DSLR. Whether via adding a SIM card to the camera body or an app in the camera utilizing the “hot spot” wifi feature on phones. In this camera app will be able to choose the file size before sending. I know you can send a picture to your phone and then sending it….too may steps! This camera app should also have automation…Imagine a wedding photographer taking photos and in real time being shown on a large screen that most venues have now. I’m just tossing a few ideas out there.
The price point of $1K USD plus minus a couple of hundred for a full frame will be tempting to many. It probably depends on the features included at the price and what the prices of the nominal 'kit' lenses whether a specific model will be commercial success. Many are on a relatively tight budget for camera gear even in a booming economy. Right now, I am on the sidelines watching the next wave or 2 of releases before buying a new camera.
I have heard Sony has a miserable interface which is one issue and I do not the like the ergonomics of the Sony cameras I have held. Neither is a true deal breaker but they both make me more inclined to watch the competitions' replies before buying.
Overall cameras have to become less expensive across the board to entice people to consider one and they must have noticeably superior performance over phones. There are a couple of technical issues that need to be ironed out such as how make it easier to upload from the camera directly to Internet. Right now, my impression is the price of cameras is a little too steep for many who do not know much about photography and advantages of a good camera system. Plus the manufacturers must get savvier about marketing as I see way more ads implying a phone is a great camera (not) but none from any camera manufacturer.
Would you choose the A5 or the A7II which is offered for under 1K also. B&H also offers Nikon 610 + 50MM lens for under 900 dollars which is the better deal?
Thanks for the update! It would be interesting to compare today's $1000 full frame cameras with the $3500 full frame bodies of a decade ago. I would expect less build quality but more functionality in the new low cost cameras.
At 5:07 your fictitious analysis is almost word-for-word what my daughter said to me 2 days ago regarding NOT stepping up from her moderate quality cell phone camera to an actual camera body and lens system. She has a good eye for composition, hikes a lot and takes some nice scenic images. I think her hobby could really take a step up with better equipment – but she resists for every single reason you outlined. We both love Sony. Maybe this camera will be the one I can justify as a Christmas gift. But since she really wants one device to use as both phone and camera – the Sony Xperia 1 II smartphone?
This was interesting, like most of your videos, thanks. I wish Sony & Canon the best with these cameras, I usually lean towards Nikon, as a consumer, I feel we need as many images companies as possible, we all benefit from that. Hopefully are camera manufactures look at this and figure out how to survive, Sony seems to know how to. Not rain on your parade but Nico last week, suggested offering a film SLR, not sure how well that would do, there is some interest. I shoot digital and film, I have full frame and crop sensor. For me I can use either and both have there advantages, as does film. Lets all count on things expanding , its time.
I have an a7iii so I have no desire to switch or upgrade (for probably years from now), but I do enjoy seeing what these companies are coming up with. I'm not really sure how they can bring down the cost since there are so many fewer cameras being sold, and I doubt they're going to cut into their profit margin. An a5 without an EVF but with a flip screen is a good bet, I have no idea what they're going to do with an a7siii to wow us.
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Great chan. I wanna get a great cam for my roommate who’s not a photographer So something he can grow with but doesn’t. Stress him out thinking used 560 is about my max
I'm still waiting for that Sony a7Siii and picked up the Sony a7Riv on B&H for $2448 which was -$1000 using the EDU Discount. I've brought my a7Riv on trips and night/lowlight is ok… not great, not horrible.
I see the Sony a7Siii as my exclusive take-out-at-night camera. I've shot with a7Sii on ISO 50,000 and actually looks ok so I cannot imagine how much "better" the Sony a7Siii will be.
I personally don't believe any high priced camera published in 2020 will find a lot of buyers. There may be a hype (e.g. around the R5) but ultimately we have a 2020 and maybe 2021 which will limit the purchases of the people due to COVID-19 (economic) limitations. So a low cost A5 will the right thing to do in 2020. If Sony publishes something like this it will be a hot seller in my opinion. And it will be a big blow against Fuji with the Fuji X-T4 with an APS-C at 1700 USD!!! And by the way, congrats, this channel is just about photography, peaceful 🙂
If Sony A5 has no EVF, no deal. WYSIWYG remember?
A5 is a good idea sub $1000. But IMO would be a misfire to remove steadyshot or not include an EVF I wouldn't go near it missing those 2 things. Make it plastic, single card slot, try to not strip it too much drop the buffer fps a bit no problem, and they have a winner IMO (A7ii is too old to appeal I would end of life it). But Sony also need to look at their APS-C line up, the A6100 needs to drop down to A6000 prices (and end that model), ditto drop the A6400 down but leave a bigger price gap.
It could be one to watch (RP has an older sensor ho hum DR), but also they could get it wrong too
This is a brilliant move by Sony. Not only can Mums and Dads shooting family pics do so without busting the bank but get into a diverse ecosystem. From the image you showed in the video,this could fit in Mum’s purse with a 50mm lens.
I think the one market that will be buying in bulk are community college’s art depts. Looks like Canon and Nikon dropped the ball on this market. My local community college still has a bunch Canon T5 and Nikon 3200s. With these new Sony’s, gone is the confusion of APS-C to 35mm film. Just my two cents.
I wont actualy miss Olympus. I just got a Contax S2b an tamron adatall2 adapter for my 28-80 and a Vivitar series 1 70-210 just for that camera. One ive learned is i miss too many shots without some kind of viewfinder. Just me' maybe but no viewfinder no sale.
Great conversation. Strange that just today, Nikon, canon and sony raised their prices. I wonder if this is so that they can have a July 4 sale or if they just don’t understand why people aren’t buying cameras.
I hate you dont look like the rest of the world unable to get a haircut lolol, have some empathy and let it grow a little messy J ❤, i think these inexpensive FF cameras are going to hurt apsc sales in general and it still wont capture new camera customers which is an industry problem
It is hard for me to imagine a sub – $1000 full frame mirrorless ILC from Sony as anything except a response to competition. Especially when you take note that of the Sony FF lenses most are a significant fraction of $1000 – or more. If such a camera has any success at all it will cause a feeding frenzy of 3rd party lens makers.
On the other hand, we have all been making the presumption that the new camera will feature interchangeable lenses. But who knows? It might be a fixed focal length or a fixed zoom lens. It could even use an optical viewfinder, and rely on Sony's autofocus technology. It would not be for me, but might considerably interest the class of buyers who presently buy the Sony RX series. It would be a great tourist and family camera for people that want more than a mobile phone.
Hi Joe, thanks for this. No viewfinder won’t bother the iPhone generation in my view, because they’ve never used them and won’t miss it. Might be a smart move. If APSc is the new m43 what is its life expectancy if you have a view on it?